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Post by Guest on 8/6/2012, 18:12

Since last tuesday we have been treating our 200l tank for white spot @ a half dose to suit our beloved plecos, the course is going well and there is no more spots on the fish, but there is still flicking so we'll continue the treatment untill a fews days after we last see flashing..

I noticed 2 days ago that my new Electric Blue Ram (EBR) has something wrong with its eye looked like there was skin or summit hanging from the eye, and the other rams and Electric Blue Jack Demsey r picking on the EBR, and its flicking and rubbing the eye like its irritating,

Today i came in from work to check how the EBR is coping and now it looks more like a bubble over the eye. the EBR is still flicking and starting to hang around the top of the bogwood keeping out the way. This has been behavior of fish i lost before so i'm increasingly growing concern.

I'v had a little look upon the net to see what it could be i think it might be 'Corneal ulcers' caused by the EBR rubbing/flashing/flicking against things.

Any Advice???

ill upload some picks soon.


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Post by D13H4RD on 8/6/2012, 18:22

If its cleared up now, do a 50% water change, treat with de chlorinator, then do the same in 3 days time. The treatment may just be causing a little irritation, water changes should stop that. Very Happy
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Post by Guest on 8/6/2012, 18:53

tanks due another treatment tomorrow then big water change sunday with hma water, hopin that sorts him out. just need the ebjd to leave him alone :/

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Post by Guest on 8/6/2012, 19:38

heres some pics

GOOD EYE



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Post by D13H4RD on 8/6/2012, 19:41

Could this be cloudy eye?
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Post by Guest on 8/6/2012, 19:49

D13H4RD wrote:If its cleared up now, do a 50% water change, treat with de chlorinator, then do the same in 3 days time. The treatment may just be causing a little irritation, water changes should stop that. Very Happy

You think i should do water change now then 1 in 3 days time? Then after that if they are still flickering what should i do?

and what about the EBR should i take it out leave it?, im taking it out its going to get killed by the other fish.

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Post by Guest on 8/6/2012, 19:52

D13H4RD wrote:Could this be cloudy eye?

It could be that but looks more like Corneal ulcers i think its scratched its eye of the ebjd has tried to have its eyes out. cloudy eye is caused by poor diet and i think this fish has had a very good diet since its been in my care anyway, feeding on a range of frozen food tetra prima and beef heart.

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Post by D13H4RD on 8/6/2012, 19:57

Yer was gonna say check his diet? I would still do a few more regular water changes, can only help Very Happy
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Post by Guest on 8/6/2012, 20:20

ok mate ill do one first thing but do u think i should carry on with the treatment straight after the water change or leave for a few days see if the flashing/rubbing stops?

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Post by D13H4RD on 8/6/2012, 20:27

I wouldn't treat any more now bud if it cleared up. As I said just change water more frequent for a week or two, I but you see it improves Very Happy
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Post by NedtheDog on 9/6/2012, 08:55

They don't name a cichlid after a world heavyweight boxer cos it's docile !
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Post by Guest on 9/6/2012, 13:35

NedtheDog wrote:They don't name a cichlid after a world heavyweight boxer cos it's docile !

He was a runt i thought he would be harmless. need a cichlid to put him in place is there a cichlid call mike tyson

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Post by NedtheDog on 9/6/2012, 17:29

Nope but one called Green Terror !
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Post by Guest on 9/6/2012, 18:03

oh there would be hell on in the tank, I think Green Terrors r nice but they don't call them green terrors because they are eco freindly lol i think they grow too fast for the ebjd then the GT would be causing chaos in the 450. I think where goiing to add Geo Tapajos orange heads, Cupids or/and Blue Acaras.

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Post by Guest on 9/6/2012, 18:05

Anyway done water change as diehard said more on this in the salt bath topic...

http://theaquarium.forumotion.co.uk/t1154-salt-bath-dip-for-single-fish#11022


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Post by k3vinjam3s on 9/6/2012, 18:08

Love geo tapajos, if you find some local at a decent size let me know.
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Post by Guest on 12/6/2012, 07:31

k3vinjam3s wrote:Love geo tapajos, if you find some local at a decent size let me know.

Found non locally just Carlisle which is a pretty long drive.

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Post by Guest on 12/6/2012, 07:32

..........The 200l still has whitespot should of carried on the treatment now im worried about the 450l been infected. ffs.

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Post by Guest on 12/6/2012, 09:17

I would continue treatment as when the spots disappear you think it has gone but actually they disappear because the bacteria from the spots are released into the tank. It then takes a couple of days for the bacteria to develop further and then problem re-occurs.

I personally would treat for at least week and a half just to make sure all bacteria are dead, as the treatment doesnt kill the bacteria till it is released from the spot.

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Post by Guest on 12/6/2012, 20:00

cheers mate wish someone had said this when i asked im now in worse position than i started oh well ill get there just learning the best way by experience!!

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Post by NedtheDog on 13/6/2012, 19:34

Hi Chris, Just to clarify what Hodgy said, White spot is a parasite not bacteria. The white spot parasite is invisible to the naked eye, what you see (the white spots) are "cysts" which when they drop off the fish contain hundreds of swarmers, young parasites that are free swimming at this stage, looking for a fish host.
They can only be killed at this stage by the treatment, but can only live a few days without a fish tom feed on. Raising the temperature in the tank by a couple of degrees will speed up the life cycle, ie free swimming, forming a cyst and dropping of again.
Treatment should continue untill all signs of white spots are gone, but continue to treat for a further 7 days to make sure the free swimming stage is eliminated. The best way to avoid this getting into your community tank is to quarantine all your new fish and plants. If you dont see the spots on the fish it could be infected but not yet showing the spots.
Fish are more susceptible to parasites or disease when stress, ie moved, transported and imported or been in several different water conditions over a period.
Make life less stressful and sort yourself out a Q/T tank.
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Post by Guest on 13/6/2012, 19:48

Thanks for that DenTheDog, nice to have a full explanation. now i know and anyone who reads this will know to carry on treatment for 7 days after white spots have gone. I dont want anybody to make the samer mistake so lock it in your memory lol,

I do have a quarantine tank but keep p[utting fish in it to breed lol but serious im going to from now on!

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Post by dene.h. on 13/6/2012, 19:51

makes me think i have been luvky over the years i normaly just put the fish and tha straight into the tank think i might get my self a seporate tank sorted good post to have read Smile
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Post by Guest on 13/6/2012, 19:53

dene.h. wrote:makes me think i have been luvky over the years i normaly just put the fish and tha straight into the tank think i might get my self a seporate tank sorted good post to have read Smile

touch wood mate thats what i always said lol

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Post by NedtheDog on 14/6/2012, 09:32

A quarantine tank can be any old tank you pick up from an auction say 18" or 24", It need a really good clean out with bleach rinse well, (when you can no longer smell the bleach it's gone) it only needs (for tropical) a heater and a box filter or at least an air-stone. No gravel or sand is required, and maybe something like half a coconut shell for a fish to hide under if the type of fish that needs it. (the shell can be boiled after each use) NOTE. The shell NOT. Me Shell.!
I Q/T my fish for 2/3 weeks just to make sure nothing develops over that time, dont forget to do water changes during q/t but use separate buckets and equipment,
IT mat seem like a lot of messing about, BUT it saves the stress of seeing your much loved collection of fish die over a few days!....
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